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Linndechir's guide to writing Landa/Hellstrom:
1) go to a nice café in Berlin, with pictures from old movies on the walls and soft jazz music
2) order a café serré coffee and Apfelstrudel
3) don't forget the cream
4) take notebook
5) write

Result?
After half an hour I decided that porn is boring, that I'd rather have naked Hellstrom with a gun, and that Landa's voice sounds like a waltz by Strauss. I'm not quite sure what happens next.

What follows is a long rambling rant about Landa/Hellstrom, about their character dynamics, about Hellstrom's characterisation, and about the possibility of a chapter three of La musica delle parole. I'm not sure anyone still cares about this. But I had to write down my thoughts to get some order into them, and I thought I'd just post them here in case anyone is still interested in the pairing. If not, you don't want to ...

I finally realised why I couldn't write chapter three of La musica delle parole for such a long time. It's actually very simple: La musica was my very first (to my knowledge, THE very first ever) Landa/Hellstrom-fic. We don't know an awful lot about Hellstrom in the movie, and my fanon about him was still relatively limited. I hadn't decided yet what I wanted to do with the character when I wrote part one of La musica. So Hellstrom was actually a rather weak, pale character in this fic - it all revolved around Landa, Landa was the centre of Hellstrom's and therefore of the reader's attention. I honestly didn't give that much thought to who Hellstrom was at that point, because I focused on writing Landa. I wanted to do justice to probably one of the greatest characters ever written and played in a movie.

I hesitated for a long time before I wrote part two, mainly because the response to part one was so overwhelming. People jumped at me from everywhere, told me it was one of the best fics they had ever read and probably the best fic I had ever written, told me that I really knew how to write Landa, told me that I had made them love the pairing. It was intimidating. Still, I went and kicked myself into writing part two, and few things ever made me as happy as all the reviews I got from people who were not one bit disappointed by the sequel. I know this sounds really arrogant and self-centred, but La musica is one of the few things I've written that I'm really proud of (I usually think most of my older fics are shit). I'm proud of writing the first fic for a pairing, a fic that was apparently good enough to make quite a few other people like it - especially since it was not a very obivous pairing in the movie.

I promised everyone to write a third part, because part two had a very open ending that DEMANDED a sequel. But in addition to the anxiety, the fear of disappointing, of writing a third part that didn't live up to the first two, I had another problem: I had no idea what I wanted to do. I knew how to begin part three, but I had no idea how to end it, not even roughly, I didn't know where their relationship was going, didn't even know if it would continue at all. So, instead, I decided to explore a few other possibilities with this pairing. I wrote several other fics, played around with the characters, even completely switched their character dynamics in Five Senses.

Most of all I gave more thought to Hellstrom, who slowly turned into one of my favourite characters ever. I came up with a huge, detailed background story for him (while I could never decide what to do with Landa's past; I have many ideas, but nothing definitive; loose ideas, detached scenes without context, but no coherent background story). Hellstrom became one of these characters for me who are a pleasure to write because I just KNOW how they think. Landa was always a bit difficult - Landa is incredibly complex, Landa is nothing like me; I always had to think about what Landa would do next, what Landa might say, how he might say it. Hellstrom? He just writes himself. I guess I'd be downplaying my characterisation if  I called him a self-insert (although at least his musical tastes are an obvious self-insert ;)), but I just understand him a lot better than I understand Landa. It's like ... I can play certain pieces on the piano without even thinking about them, and others demand constant attention to every single note.

What's the problem?, you might think. Isn't it great that I worked so much on Hellstrom's characterisation? Well, yes, in itself that's a good thing, but unfortunately Hellstrom as I see him now isn't much like Hellstrom in La musica anymore. He's a bit too spineless, too easily intimidated for my taste. Of course, Landa IS terrifying, but I see Hellstrom by now as a much stronger character than I did initially. I've come to see Hellstrom as Landa's equal, his mirror, the one person who can play Landa's game (almost) as well as himself, the one person whom Landa can't fuck over with a smile, a glance and a calculated verbal stab. Landa's superiority is mainly based on the fact that he's older, more experienced, and higher-ranking than Hellstrom - not on the fact that he really is more intelligent or more cunning or more manipulative than Hellstrom. They're very similar in some regards, and at the same time different enough to surprise each other.

TLDR: I feel like I neglected in La musica that Hellstrom is more for Landa than just an entertaining plaything. Landa is deeply fascinated by Hellstrom, because Hellstrom is one of the few people who could possibly be a danger to Landa. And someone of Landa's intellect must occasionally be bored by the stupidity of the world. He'd appreciate someone like Hellstrom.

I just CAN'T write Hellstrom anymore the way I wrote him in La musica. I feel like I'd be writing a spineless, meek shadow of movie-badass Major Creeper (when is the last time I read that epic nickname? IB-Fandom, I miss you!). And now that I finally know what the problem is, I'll have to figure out how to write Hellstrom in part thee of La musica: for the sake of continuity, he basically has to be the same character as the guy in the first two chapters, but for the sake of my sanity (and of better characterisation) I have to twist him a little to give him something like a spine and a brain. Don't worry, he'll still be terrified, he'll still be far from the Hellstrom who scared Landa shitless in Five Senses. But I want to balance their dynamics a little. Landa will still be superior, because otherwise it would just make no sense after the first two chapters. But I need a more active Hellstrom. I need a Hellstrom who is more than just the looking glass through which the reader sees Landa and thinks, "omfg he's scary, but omfg he's also hot!"

I need a Hellstrom who gives Landa a good fight. Not a physical one, but an intellectual and emotional one. Because if he doesn't, Landa will lose interest and get rid of him. Landa got what he want - if Hellstrom wants to stay alive, he'd better convince Landa that he's still more interesting to be around than any other person in Paris.

If that means quoting Schiller, all the better.

Landa quoting Baudelaire would be even more epic, but I don't know how to fit THAT in.


I don't think anyone even bothered to read this ... if you did, thanks for your time. Any ideas? Any feedback? Other than, "Linn, stop whining, stoping rambling pretentious shit, and just write"?

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Date: 2010-08-29 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Exactly. A year ago, I was young and innocent and believed in the inherent value of virginity as something so special you should lose it with somebody you loooooooove (because Landa and Hellstrom shared such a perfectly pure and innocent love). I can't believe I managed to type this without laughing hysterically.

his father was born in Germany so he's legally considered a German.
AFAIK, his father actually was German. Just being born in Germany (with foreign parents) wouldn't be enough to be German, legally. Anyway, that's just nitpicking. I read about that, too, and I really understand Christoph. You can't really get more Austrian than him, no matter where his father was from.

That would be one of Heydrich's many problems. All the documents and papers of the conference are pretty unambiguous, and it would take him a lot of work to talk/cheat/forge his way out of that.
*does not want to see Branagh as Heydrich* I don't think I want to see anyone as Heydrich. Except maybe August Diehl, who'd probably do an amazing job. (Yes, I've had that idea sneaking around in my head for so long it has almost started to make sense.)

Himmler/Wölffchen: Heydrich would probably not even want to get rid of Wölffchen, who's relatively smart and useful and likeable. But Wölffchen would never work for somebody who betrayed his beloved Heini. So either Heydrich would have to shut him up to, or - more likely, considering Wölffchen's weird sense of honour - Wölffchen would agree to retire and STFU because he knows, deep down, that Heydrich did the right thing. Or something. But epic, tragic romance either way.

I think Heydrich would try to stay as neutral as possible in the upcoming Cold War. Allying himself blindly with one of the two sides would have been just plain stupid, knowing that Germany would be the first battlefield if the war ever turned not-so-cold. He'd probably favour America and GB over the Soviet Union, but that wouldn't keep him from dealing with the Soviets in any ways he could get away with. Definitely dividing Poland and stuff like that. Not to mention that Heydrich would so want to keep his beloved Prague. ;)

Btw, that picture on your icon is probably one of my favourite Heydrich pics ever. Oh, and I just remembered - I finally found a picture that has both Heydrich AND Schellenberg (and several other guys). WOAAAAAAAH!!! It's not much, but it's better than nothing:

Image

Can you find him? ;) (No, it's not the guy on the right who looks like he's trying to run away. ;) "Dear Allies, I was never in this picture!")

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Date: 2010-08-29 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Oh, that was just too easy. How could I not instantly pinpoint that precious little Schellchen pout--especially when he's so obviously swooning over Heydrich? Poor Schellchen - he literally can't take his eyes off his hearthrob. He's the second one on the left hand side of the photo. :-)

That's interesting, I didn't know that one's parents had to be German for he or she to be legally so. Here in the USA you're American as long as you're born here, or born within American territory (such as military base overseas.) Now that everyone's shrieking about illegal immigrants there's a move afoot to change that. I had been adamantly against such a change, but you pointing the German policy has put it in a new light for me. Mainly, why the hell not change it? It would certainly shut up a lot of idiots!

You are absolutely correct, you DO NOT want to see Branagh as Heydrich. It's...so bad I can't even begin to cope with trying to describe it. Gusti would make a rather interesting Heydrich, I agree. But what does one do about that remarkable mouth with the big, juicy lips? Even my Heydrich doll didn't get the lips right, while every other aspect of the face is just about perfect. I really should take it out of the box and play with it, for goodness' sake! It's just that everything is so pristine-looking. I hate to destroy that calm repose. But at the same time, I so want to him to try on the other uniform. And play with his sword. If I ever get any money to spare again, I'm going to buy the Max Wünsche doll so he can have a boyfriend. Then I'll HAVE to get him out of the box so the two can get naked together.

Heydrich would indeed keep Wölffchen around. What a sad old man he became in real life. Always there to add his two pfennigs to every documentary but somehow looking so lost while doing so. He must have pined for his Heini for the rest of his life. So your AU Wölffchen would probably be virtually the same as the old one was.

Re my Heydrich icon--it's my favorite, too. As you know, it doesn't even come close to the marvelous one Machiavelli Imp produced using the same photo. Especially with the teeny-tiny "guest star" in one eyeball.

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Date: 2010-08-29 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Haha, I was just wondering if you'd have the same reaction as me, and you did. "Oh, it's tiny, slender, young, it has the Schellchen pout, Schellchen's cheekbones, and it's obviously staring at Heydrich --> it MUST be Schellenberg." Both their ranks also fit: the photo must have been taken around 1940.

I know. The US, like France, have a very simple jus soli - if you're born there, you're American/French. In Germany we've always had a jus sanguinis, meaning you're only German if your parents are. However, that was amended a bit in 2000, I believe: the children of (legal) immigrants in Germany are entitled both to the German and to their parents' nationality until the age of 20 or so, when they have to pick one. It's just that traditionally democratic countries like the US and France seem to have a different understanding of one's nationality than countries like Germany. Tbh, I think our way is a lot more realistic: I've seen in France the problem of loads of people who were legally French (because they were born there), but who hardly spoke French, who lived completely in their little sub-culture etc. Just being born somewhere doesn't mean anything. Being raised there, okay, but being born there? I couldn't care less about where I was born.

Well, that's always a problem when you have an actor portray a person who really existed. You'll never find an actor who looks exactly like Heydrich, just as tall, same eyes, same lips, same hands etc. Just like no actor ever looked exactly like Hitler, or like Goebbels, or like Churchill etc. But it doesn't really matter. If an actor (who looks at least remotely like Heydrich, y'know, same type) gets the character right, if he manages to pull off characteristic traits like Heydrich's piercing way of looking at people (and I can so see that with August), I'd take him over a Heydrich look-alike who can't act. I just see August as one of the few actors who don't look -completely- different, and who could manage the intensity required to play Heydrich. Mark Strong could probably pull off an amazing Heydrich, too, but he just looks all wrong.

Haha, true. I can really see Wölffchen as this sad old man who retired and pined for Wölffchen, and he would do so in Heydrich's continuing Third Reich just as he did IRL.

Heh, btw, I'm reading some Terry Pratchett again at the moment, and in my head Heydrich is always giving Lord Vetinari admiring looks. It's hilarious. ;)

I know which one you mean, yes. ^^ Still, I love the photo. Heydrich looks like such a boytoy on it.

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Date: 2010-08-31 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

LOL! My eyes instantly zoomed towards the pout and the cheekbones. Schellchen is just too cute for comfort. I wish there were more pics of him, but this one is pretty darn good. Thank you so much for sharing it ;-) Schellchen looks like he's absolutely dying for Heydrich to rip off his uniform and ravish him. I have clips of him testifying at Nuremberg, but unfortunately he's not in uniform (as if).

I agree with you about the little subcultures within the broader cultures of France and the USA, but unfortunately, the USA prides itself on this charade of being a melting pot. But it may be time to change things. Especially when the wealthier women of Mexico and South and Central America are crossing the border just to gain American citizenships for their children, then returning home again to bide their time until their respective countries have revolutions and they're driven out.

I agree, I believe Gusti is more than up to the task to play Heydrich, and I would hope he gets the opportunity to do so when he's in his late thirties. He has such an arresting presence onscreen. I remember seeing him for what I believe was the first time in The Counterfeiters (although he looked very familiar to me even then) and thinking, this man really has it, he's got tremendous presence, and he's so unusual-looking.

I have never read Terry Pratchett's novels, although I have heard of them...now where in that universe would Heydrich fit in? Or is it 5 am again there? ;-)

Omigod, yes, that photo of Heydrich--I don't think he ever looked more delicious. That's the photo/straw that broke the camel's back and had me finally realize that this odd-looking man was actually strangely attractive, and of course I began fantasizing about those huge lips! Damn, I wish we knew more about him sexually. I'm forever going to wonder if he gave great head with those lips. ;-)

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Date: 2010-08-31 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Unfortunately Schellchen wasn't important enough in the beginning, and once he was important Himmler didn't want any photos of him taken. I'm happy enough there's a single picture of him and Heydrich together. I want more of Schellchen giving Heydrich longing looks.
Of course, I could have another look at the many, many Himmler pics I have. I know Heydrich is on many of them, but I could check if Schellchen is hiding somewhere as well. *puts that on the list of "things to do when procrastinating"*

The term "melting pot" always makes me laugh. ;) Ah, well, I guess I'm still a bit old-fashioned in that regard. Unfortunate side-effect of having such a boring family background, I guess.

It's a pity no one will ever make a movie about Heydrich that a) portrays him as a person and not a super-villain and b) focuses on something else than his death. FFS, I'm SICK of movies and books and documentaries and everything about his death. Okay, he died. Okay, his death was a catastrophe for the Nazis. Can we move on now please? As if the man did nothing else in his life than getting assassinated. The worst thing is that historians do this just as much as fictional authors and film makers. *end of rant*
Anyway, Gusti. If such a film is ever made, I want Gusti in it. It's mainly his eyes, I think (and hands ;)). I can just see him sitting behind a big desk, staring at one of his subordinates with those hard eyes, and interrupting them after three minutes because he already knows what they're going to say (he always did that, apparently).
He was great in The Counterfeiters, it was a great movie in general. I saw it before I even knew who this August Diehl was, but I already thought back then that he was a great actor. But apparently I was too busy with other stuff at the time to start looking up all his other movies.

You've never read Pratchett? Now that is absolutely unacceptable. I feel sorry for people who have never read him, and I don't trust people who don't like him. ;) Because I just don't understand how anyone can not like Pratchett.
The Heydrich thing actually made sense, it wasn't 5am. ;) Lord Vetinari is the ruler (read: benevolent tyrant) of the biggest city of Pratchett's fantasy world, and he's ... well, cunning, absurdly intelligent, always knows more than everyone else, always three steps ahead, and while he's rather ruthless and cold-hearted, he's not in it for his personal gain, but for the city. Everyone hates him, but his way of running the city works. And, yeah, the fact that he somehow knows everything that happens in the city would definitely impress Heydrich, I think. ;) Oh, that was another fangirl rant. I just adore Vetinari. So does everyone else who ever read Pratchett, I think. ;)

The only reply to your last paragraph is my icon. ;)

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Date: 2010-08-31 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

I, too, am absolutely delighted that you found a pic that shows Schellchen AND Heydrich TOGETHER, especially since Schellchen is so obviously mooning over Heydrich!!! Yes, yes, please do keep up the search. There have to be more pics out there somewhere. Oh, how I wish Nariel would post that splendid story of hers I beta'ed where BB Schellchen meets BB Navy-era Heydrich in a bar. It's so marvelous and so delicious.

OMIGOD. I SOOOOOO agree with you about the dearth of films and literature about Heydrich's life!! FFFS, instead of always focusing on his death, why doesn't someone take the time to focus on the power he gained that made people want to assassinate him in the first place? After all, as far as I know no one else outside of Hitler triggered assassination plots. I feel as though I can't get a handle on the man because all that's out there focuses pretty much on his death. I do have a couple of documentaries that aren't bad, however, and have loads of footage of him in his private life.

I know some time ago you recommended one or more biographies. Can you give me the authors's names again? It's time for me to read a decent biography of the man. Especially since I have a hankering to write about him.

As far as reading Pratchett, you'll just have to let me off the hook on that one, because I've far too many books to read and I'd like to read a good biography of Heydrich next. I'm afraid I've haven't been much of a fan of fantasy and/or science fiction literature since I was 16, but it was around that age that I first became a Holocaust scholar, and in general I tend to read far more nonfiction than fiction.

I do like your icon. It seems to me my entire life is an attempt to rise above reality. ;-)

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Date: 2010-08-31 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Don't expect too much, there really aren't many pictures of Schellenberg. But, like you, I love how he's looking at Heydrich on this one, obviously wondering why there are so many other stupid people around. And said people seem to think, "oh, Schellenberg, be more obvious!"
I've been telling her to do so, but for some reason she hesitates. Also, i think she really has other stuff on her mind right now, her RL is pretty busy at the moment.

It's always like that with people who had an 'interesting' death. Or, no, wait, actually it's not. It's as if all everybody remembered about Thomas Cranmer is that he was burnt as a martyr ... yeah, AFTER being Archbishop of Canterbury for 20 years. -.- I think the problem is that Heydrich never was a public figure before he went to Prague. Before, he wasn't very well known to most people outside the SS, and probably even in the SS quite a few underestimated how powerful he was. He was Himmler's brain, but Himmler was still who people saw most of the time. He only became a well-known face when he went to Prague, and it was mainly his amazing work there that got him killed (unless you go with the explanation that Himmler&co had him killed because he was too powerful, which I still think is crap - they might have been relieved about his death, but I doubt that they organised it; if not, he wasn't killed for his power as head of the SD and SP, but for being too clever as a Reichsprotektor).

I recommended Günther Deschner's Heydrich biography. The others I've had a look at seemed all either shitty, or they only focused on ... surprise, his death. But Deschner is really good. He's one of the main reasons that I know most of the things that there are to know about Heydrich. But I think you checked last time I mentioned the book, and found out that it exists only in German, no?

Well, you can easily fit a Pratchett novel in between two serious books. ;) He's great, but he's nevertheless one of those authors whose books you can read in a couple of hours. Like, so quickly you're almost disappointed it's already over again. ;) You can always fit in a Pratchett novel, no matter how busy you are. Personally I don't like sci-fi literature, and I gave up on fantasy literature because most of it is crap, but there are a few that are worth making an exception. No letting you off the hook on this, ever. ;)

my life is an attempt to ignore reality. It's just boring most of the time. ;)

Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-01 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com
Good old Nariel, always busy, always hesitant. I wish she'd communicate more with those of us who like her but are a distance from her! Tell her to stop being so bloody shy!!!

Which reminds me that I've made two interesting discoveries lately. One is that there are several Yulian Semyonov books translated into English available on amazon.com, which, by the way, also has two different Heydrich books by Deschner in English--or perhaps they're different translations. One is simply "Heydrich: A Biography" and the other is "Heydrich: The Pursuit of Total Power", for which there is a German version with the same title. Is there a difference between these two publications, or are they one and the same? Let me know.

The second interesting discovery is that there is a new Russian-language PC game oddly titled "Operation Valkyrie" and featuring a man with an eyepatch on the cover. The game has absolutely nothing to do with the plot against Hitler but is a loose, videogame adaptation of "17 Moments." with the the main character based on (and strongly resembling) Stierlitz!! He's even the same rank!!! I discovered this in one of Walter The Wizard's Russian-language LJ postings. He told me the posting was a review of the game which is apparently terribly slow with lots of lags, despite being historically fairly accurate. All I know is the graphics are gorgeous and definitely look period-accurate. Himmler and Goebbels appear at various times according to the screencaps. Here's a link to the screencaps that shows one with Goebbels and looks as though it's set in the bunker or something:

http://www.ag.ru/screenshots/stroke_of_fate/237523#show

Who knows. Anyway, it looks absolutely fascinating; please share the link with Nariel, I know she'd enjoy it. Personally, I'm dying to play it. I'll probably do a screencap posting on Nazi Fetish on LJ.

WTW also mentioned that it's generally believed that Stierlitz was based on Willi Lehmann and not on Heinrich Müller. I had read that he was based on Müller (who disappeared behind the Iron Curtain) but an independent character was created as a cover-up.

Oh, all right *grumble*, I'll read a Pratchett novel. Let me know which one I can read most quickly and I'll fit it in somewhere. With the understanding that I will read it only because you are the one recommending it and for some reason I trust your youthful but brilliant judgment. Just please tell me there are no furry-footed hobbit characters in it. ;-D

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-02 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
LOL, she's not shy. She's just less of a computer maniac than I am. Also, yeah, she's really busy right now. I think she posted an entry about her rather unpleasant RL on her LJ recently.

Ah, yes, there are some Semyonov books in English, but somehow I never even wanted to read them. *shrug* I'm glad the Deschner biography exists in English, though. AFAIK, he only wrote one biography, but there's an older edition, and a newer, revised one. So, in doubt, just buy the newer one.

Erm, okay ... this looks really strange. WTF Stierlitz PC game. ;) I can send the link to Nariel, but since she has no internet right now, it won't help much. ;)

Yay, gotcha. This is going to be horrible if you don't like it. ;) I assure you, there are no hobbits in it. And even if there were, Pratchett would just make fun of them. ;) Mhm, how am I supposed to recommend one of so many wonderful books? One of my many favourites is Going Postal (and not just for the beautiful title). Some people have complained that the allusions to the real world are too obvious in this one, he's usually more subtle about that in his other books. But you might actually like it because it's less fantasy than in some of his other novels. Anyway, it's hilarious, and it has unusually many scenes with Lord Vetinari (and in half of them Pratchett gushes about Vetinari's beautiful, long hands). If you liked it, I can rec you some more. ;)

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-03 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

You never wanted to read the Semyonov books? Or just in English? My Russian just isn't good enough to plow through them in Russian, but Semyonov's inherent slashiness is calling out to me. Which book has the infamous night time drive with Heydrich & Schellenberg hitting the fawn?

Yeah, I'm not sure what the heck is going on in that Stierlitz game. But the graphics and backgrounds sure are beautiful. TBH, what I'd really like is my own Third Reich Sims game that I could populate with Heydrich, Schellenberg, Wünsche, Rommel, Stierlitz, Aue, Landa, Hellstrom etc, etc. Only I'd probably never be able to pry myself away from my computer.

As for Pratchett, Going Postal it is. But I'm not promising when I'll get to it, unless the library has it. As usual, I'm strapped for cash. :-(

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-03 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
No, I just really don't want to read them. Too many other books I'd rather read. Erm, and that scene is apparently from Spanish Variation. Can't remember the exact Russian title, but it was pretty much the same, I think.

Good thing I don't play computer games ... well, okay, except for Civ IV, but that's more because conquering the world with my brother is too much fun not to. ;)

I'm sure you can also find it cheaper on ebay or something. But, sure, take your time. Just as long as you read it some day. ;D

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-05 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Now comes the question: where would I find more slash? In Wölffchen's memoirs? Schellenberg's memoirs? Or Semyonov's novels? That may determine which I read first of the those three.

Somehow I can easily picture you and your brother hard at work conquering the world. You'd have your long, Wagnerian braid trailing down your back.

"Just as long as you read it some day." - Jawohl, mein Führer.

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-06 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
No idea, tbh. I think all of them contain slashiness, but I don't know how much. I imagine that Wölffchen's memoirs must be pretty boring, "blabla I knew nothing blabla I am innocent blabla no I was never in love with Heinrich Himmler blabla HEINIIIIIIIII I MISS YOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!!!!"

Jawohl, mein Führer.
Long Wagnerian braid and Hitler beard? I'd look funny. ;)

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-07 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

But didn't Wölffchen write swoony fangirl letters to his wife about his "endlessly satisfying" work with Himmler? And didn't he also use a particular German word that conveyed a rather deep, more than simple platonic love for him?

It tickles me to death that there was this group of Nazi Nerds with Himmler, Wölffchen and even Schellchen. Although Schellchen was a really cute techno nerd who just loved all his secret agent gadgets. He reminds me so much of the boys that made up the audio-visual crew when I was in school. All absorbed in his technology.

Yes, you'd look very funny with a Hitler beard. Especially since he never had one. ;-) However, somehow I can picture you with your glasses and that little mustache. And the braid. Forgive me, please, but I'm tittering over my keyboard now. ;-D

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-07 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Yeah, he did, but I suppose he wrote his memoirs post 1945? And then he was probably very careful to tell everyone that he knew about nothing and was actually a good guy.

... I'll just try to stop imagining this. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. ;)

Re: Heydrich, Semyonov, Deschner and Pratchett

Date: 2010-09-10 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Oh, then I just need the source for Wölffchen's fangirl letters, then. Talk about great slash!

...I think you should laugh until you cry. ;-D

Date: 2010-09-15 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Well, I stumbled across a book with a bunch of letters from and to Himmler once, which contained some fanboying. I can't remember where I found Wölffchen's letter to his wife about Himmler. Mhm, must have been some biography or something. I have no idea. But it was all in German, no idea if there are English translations.

Date: 2010-09-16 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com

Damn. Oh, well, I can always refer to your posting for the matter. But it's just not possible to write anything but cute slash about these two. Kind of like Andy/Jason in True Blood--cute and cuddly and definitely a couple, but just not erotic. Although Wölffchen might have been sexy if he wasn't such a lovesick puppy trailing after his object of desire...

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