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Stealing another meme from [livejournal.com profile] sternflammenden, yay! I'm wasting way too much time on memes lately.

Give me a pairing and I'll tell you:
1. When or if I started shipping them:
2. What I think their challenge is:
3. What makes me happy about them:
4. What makes me sad about them:
5. What moment I wish had never happened:
6. Who I'd be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other:
7. My happily ever after for them:

Date: 2011-10-02 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] outboxed.livejournal.com
I'm about to go to sleep but this way I'll get to wake up to your answers. (;

Jon/Stannis!
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
In that case, good morning. :) SRKNLKJBLDDFKGBÖKDFG THAT PAIRING I LOVE IT SO MUCH I MUST SOMEHOW FORCE YOU TO WRITE FIC. Sorry, just needed to get that out.

1. I raised an eyebrow or two when they first met, during their conversations about making Jon Lord of Winterfell. I started shipping them when Jon refused and Stannis couldn't help but respect that; their arguments that just made me realise how incredibly similar they are. I think realising that is what made me like Jon for the first time. And Stannis' approving look after Jon executed Slynt sealed it for me. But pretty much every single scene with them just made me ship them more.
2. They're the perfect allies, but Jon can't really take Stannis' side due to his vows. If he weren't in the Night's Watch, he and Stannis would be BFF, but as it is Jon's vow not to take any side will stand between them.
3. How they can't help but respect each other, and they're both grumpy about it. But mostly it's how much they have in common, how Jon is a younger Stannis, and I think Stannis realises that. Stannis is not strong on empathy, but I think he can feel for someone if that someone has apparently the same issues and problems he has (or had). They understand each other. I also think they could make each other feel better.
4. I doubt that they will ever get the opportunity to fight on the same side for a long time and become closer. Also, Stannis is probably going to die at some point. -.-
5. IF Stannis or Jon dies ... then that moment. ;) Or any other moment in which they will be turned against each other without hope of reconciliation.
6. Jon/Wall. Stannis with Sansa or Davos. (Or the Bastard of Nightsong. Wait what?)
7. King Stannis with a) Jon as Lord Commander, and Stannis visits the Wall every couple of years; it's the most realistic scenario in a way, but also somewhat sad because they won't see each other much, b) if there is no Wall anymore, Jon as Stannis' Hand, because that'd be epic, or c) Jon in his Kingsguard, if that's the only way to get him out of the Night's Watch. Of course b) and c) can be combined. I'd just love to see them ruling Westeros together.
From: [identity profile] outboxed.livejournal.com
IT IS SUCH A GREAT PAIRING! FEEL FREE TO TRY TO MAKE ME WRITE IT AFTER 21 OCT. /so much uni work right now

They are the best allies and the best disinherited bros. (Hey Stannis, bet you never thought not getting Storm's End would cause you to relate to bastards who're outside of the line of succession by birth but, oh look, I guess it kind of did.) And they are fantastic mirrors of each other.
I hate ADWD for making me think that Stannis is a truly viable candidate for King because now I want to deny the fact that he's unlikely to survive the series. STANNIS WOULD BE A BETTER KING THAN ANY OF YOU, DAMN IT. One night, whilst reading ADWD, I left my mother a note which just said, "for the record, I want Stannis on the Iron Throne now" because I could not hold in my feelings.
Jon/Wall is one of my (many) Jon OTPs. Eee. I am so intrigued by Stannis/Bastard of Nightsong though. (Because I clearly need more Stannis ships to balance it out.)
I'm not entirely sure that Jon would work as Stannis' Hand because, in some ways, they are too similar and, if they were on the same side, Jon might not have that divergent a point-of-view on things. Jon in a white cloak would be ADORABLE though.
Edited Date: 2011-10-03 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
You know that I will start annoying you like mad after that, right? There isn't a single fic for them, other than yours.

Yes yes yes yes. I love how what Robert did to him (and to a lesser extent Renly) just makes Stannis feel like a bastard. Like he's somehow not a "real" brother. And for Stannis that's almost worse because Jon IS a bastard, Jon always knew he wouldn't get Winterfell, wouldn't get anything his brothers had, but Stannis grew up as a trueborn son, expeccting to be treated the same as his brothers. Definitely mirrors here.

Didn't you like Stannis prior to ADWD? Who did you want on the throne before that? Because there are many characters I like in this series, but not many I can see ruling well. Other than Stannis I can only think of Tywin. I'm so jealous of people whose parents read ASOIAF, btw. I got my brother to read it, but he's only a mad Greyjoy fan, it's kind of funny. He randomly comes to see me and says WHAT IS DEAD CAN NEVER DIE!!!!
I can't really ship Jon with many people. My OTP there is Jon/Wall, and now Jon/Stannis. I'm okay with Jon/Satin for some hurt/comfort, but not as a long-term relationship. I kind of ship Jon/Aegon in my own crazy AU, but that's about it.
Haha, I just love the Bastard of Nightsong for having such an epic nickname. Also, he'S a king's man and Stannis seems to trust him a lot, so he must be a real badass. I hope we'll get to see him again.
I'm not a huge fan of Jon as his Hand either, because the whole point of making someone other than Davos his Hand would be to have someone more respectable, someone his lords would accept. Ned Stark's bastard may be a bit better than a former smuggler, but not exactly fancy either. ;) But Kingsguard!Jon would be amazing. If only so Jon can object that he isn't even a knight, and Stannis in a typical fit of grumpy irritation would just tell him to STFU and kneel so Stannis can knight him.
From: [identity profile] outboxed.livejournal.com
There seriously isn't any fic for them? sdlkfhjgk What is wrong with the world?

Exactly! They're both overshadowed by their brothers and have been placed outside of the line of succession - and, yes, less justly so in Stannis' case. Each of them has had to fight for a place of their own (Stannis for Dragonstone, captured from the Targaryens, and Jon for the Wall and the respect of his brothers).

I liked Stannis before ADWD but I just couldn't really get behind him as king. Until he showed up at the Wall toward the end of ASOS I didn't even really see him as much of a candidate because his plot seemed so periforal. I don't think I had any real preference about who ended up on the throne before I got behind Stannis though.
I love that your brother is a Greyjoy fan! I hope to meet him one day IN THE DROWNED GOD'S WATERY HALL! Haha. I'm so pleased I got my mother into the books though. :D
I ship Jon/EVERYTHING. I can't help it. I don't even know why.
So digging the idea of Stannis knighting Jon just to make him shut the hell up about his objections. Stannis would be all: "You will be an asset to my Kingsguard and you will kneel as I tell you to." And Jon's response would be something like: "... *kneels*". XD
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I haven't seen any. I mean, there's already not much Stannis fic, but even less that includes Jon. :(

Poor Stannis, feeling like a bastard now. :(

It took me some time to get behind Stannis, but I think he won me over when he first said that he didn't want the throne, that he thought of it mostly as a duty and an obligation (it was either in ACOK or in ASOS). And he's the only character so far who is NOT mostly about wanting power, but about the responsibilities of power. Well, Ned too, but without being as naive as Ned. Also, I loved how very early on, Stannis gets real moral depth. He's one of the few characters who seem to think about what's right and wrong, about the consequences of their action, what is acceptable and what is not. And he's not even a POV character.

My mother doesn't like fantasy, nor my father. But I got my brother to read it, even though he doesn't like Stannis. Unfortunately he ruined one of Aeron's quotes for me when he misspoke and said, "no godless man shall shit the Seastone Chair." I can't say it properly anymore. -.-

I ship Stannis/everything. ;) It's compulsive.
It's hilarious, isn't it? Stannis is so wonderfully matter-of-fact. "Oh, you're not a knight? Mhm, k, then I'll knight you."
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
Awww. Want Stannis knighting Jon! Fic, or art, or whatever. Just too cute.
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I can't draw, but you can. :P But it definitely needs to happen, I should write fic some day.
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
Hm, i should draw so many things. Like Baratheon brothers when young (Stannis holding baby!Renly and being all cute) and Stannis in Edo-era outfit. (And Roose and Stannis snowball fighting, because that's what they really do outside Winterfell.)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I want all of this, but mostly Stannis and bb!Renly. <3
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
If you poke me soem more, I'll totally write Jon/Stannis! But it will be tragic, most likely. :D And it's so hard to leave Davos out!
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I'd poke you gladly, but I don't want it to be tragic. :( We get enough tragedy in canon, I want my fanfics to be happy. ;) Davos is always welcome, obviously.
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
How to make Stannis and Jon have a happy ending.. that will be difficult. :D
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
My general happy ending is Stannis on the throne. ^^ And Jon either as LC if the Wall still stands, or if there is no Wall anymore, I love Jon on Stannis' Kingsguard. ;)
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
If only that would happen. I would be so happy. Jon is LC of the KG and Davos is Hand of the King. And somehow, Mance lives too, maybe he fought so heroically against Others that Stannis let himelf to be convinced to spare him.
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Nah, I think stannis would be adamant about Mance. But Jon on his Kingsguard would just be so epic.
From: [identity profile] alcanis-ivennil.livejournal.com
Well, I want to see Stannis' face when he finds Mance in Winterfell. And hear what he says to Mel after that.

Just realized I ned a Mance avatar too. And a Brünnhilde.

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