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This is getting fucking frustrating! Everyone around me is posting their Hanukkah fics, and my stupid fic still refuses to get written. Even the first draft isn't finished, because whenever I try to work on it, it gets more fucked up. First, I made the participating characters even more insane than they already are. Then, I decided to use flashbacks - I HATE flashbacks, I've never written any because I hate reading them, but my brainless fic idea only works with flashbacks. And as if all that wasn't bad enough, one of my characters suddenly started quoting Hegel. WHAT THE FUCK??? I'm not even writing about Landa, for God's sake! I'm starting to think that I should delete the whole thing and start anew, but I have honestly no better idea for the prompt I was given than the one I'm using now. It's actually a good idea, I think, except that it's so weird that it only makes sense in my brain, but not when I write it. Whatever, I'll just pretend my lack of sense and clarity is artistic and mysterious and complex. Or something. I just want to write something better than pointless porn with the pairing and the kinks my giftee asked for. :(
The worst thing is that I waited so long to write this because when I came up with this idea weeks ago, I was sure that I could easily write it down in two days, and voilà. But, no, everything always turns out to be ten times more complicated.
Why the fuck is he quoting Hegel? Seriously, Hegel? In bed? Not even IB characters should be so fucked up that they start lecturing their partner on philosophy and freedom during sex. *smashes head against the wall*
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Date: 2009-12-14 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I could, but I think the same problem would occur again. :(

True, true, but it's not Landa. I don't want to say who it is, because I don't want to reveal who I'm writing about and in what situation, but I can tell you that it's not Landa. So there's no excuse. ;)
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Date: 2009-12-14 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I hate flashbacks. *cries* They sound stupid, and pretentious, and ugly, and they fuck up the best story. But for some reason my brain keeps insisting on them.

Maybe I should introduce Landa into the story! That would solve all problems. ;)
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Date: 2009-12-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I will have to finish it. I'll just imagine Heydrich kicking my ass, or something. And not the way I like it. ;)

I have no idea. I was innocently writing my fic, and suddenly this character bursts out with a Hegel quote that seemed suddenly perfectly appropriate for the situation. The fact that it's one of my favourite quotes does not make this any better.
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Date: 2009-12-14 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Until Saturday evening.

Well, it's not an exact quote as written by Hegel, but it's a very often used sentence that resumes his theories about freedom. I only know the German version, "Freiheit ist Einsicht in die Notwendigkeit", I'm still struggling to translate this properly into English.

Date: 2009-12-14 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com
It all depends upon the character who's quoting Hegel and how deeply he's within the throes of passion. But please don't let it be that pasty-faced Heydrich. I have no problem with you using real-life Nazis (and I'm a Jew who had relatives killed at Babi Yar), but at least Mengele's good-looking, albeit probably not bright enough. But then, Nazi uniform fetish and all, I am one twisted fuck. :-)

Date: 2009-12-14 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Oh, c'mon, Heydrich is hot! Not beautiful, no, everything looks wrong in his face. He SHOULDN'T be hot. But then you realise that he has the most gorgeous, erotic hands ever ... and you take a closer look at him and notice his "come hither"-stare, not to mention his smile ... and you read about him and realise that his personality is so fascinating it makes your head spin ... And at some point you realise once more that attractiveness has nothing to do with eyes that are too small, and a nose that is too big, and a generally weird face. :)
Anyway ... I'll stop drooling now ... but this fic is not about Heydrich, don't worry. It's pure IB, no real Nazis in this one.

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Date: 2009-12-15 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
My Mengele character takes umbridge at this.
Philosophical question; is it worse for you (a Jew) to like nazis, or me (a descendant of collaborators)?

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Date: 2009-12-15 06:38 am (UTC)
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Date: 2009-12-14 09:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] zoi-no-miko.livejournal.com
.... I think this sounds like the most amazing fic ever. XD

Good luck? *feeds your bunnies chocolate covered coffee beans*

Date: 2009-12-14 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Actually, it sounds like the weirdest stuff I've ever written. But your confidence honours and motivates me. :D

*takes the chocolate covered coffee beans and attacks her bitchy characters and their issues*

Date: 2009-12-15 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] septemberoses.livejournal.com
Personally, I think it sounds like you're too smart. Hear me out: you know a lot of things, and as a writer you have to decide whether just because you know something, and it's perfect for the fic, it's appropriate. I'm constantly writing things in and then taking them out.

Also, I wonder whether you're just essentially unhappy with the assignment (porn featuring two characters you don't care about?) If the fic is a "job" then why not get it over with as quickly as possible, within the parameters that your porn-hungry giftee desires? I'll just take a stab that the request didn't include anything highbrow :)

Fic requests, even if I volunteered, are so hard I'm basically not doing it any more. Even things I *want* to write experience some sort of kiss of death when I feel obligated to write them.

I am sure this helps not one bit.

Date: 2009-12-15 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Happy to hear from you again! I was actually going to ask you to beta read it once it's done, if you don't mind. ;)

The problem is not that I think it's inappropriate for the situation or the character. Strangely enough, I think it's extremely fitting (and it's not like I wrote it to show everyone my pretty quote ;)). I was just surprised because I didn't expect this to happen, I didn't expect him to say anything even remotely profound in that situation. Ah, I don't know. I was just weirded out by myself. One of these "WTF what are my characters doing?"-moments, I'm sure you know what I mean.

The problem is that the giftee doesn't want brainless porn. She did ask for a pairing and certain kinks, but I don't think she just wants these characters to have quick sex in a corner and get it over with. I'm not unhappy with the assignment, I'm unhappy with my way of handling it. Mhm, I'll just force myself to write something tomorrow, and then see how I can polish that draft. (Except that I wanted to write at least the first draft yesterday and today, and failed.)

I find it incredibly difficult to write for prompts as well, which is why I usually don't do it. In this case, though, it was a prompt exchange, and I thought that writing a fic for someone else wasn't so bad if it meant getting a fic I wanted written. :)

Date: 2009-12-15 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sevenwindows.livejournal.com
I can see certain characters going all rambly and philosophical after sex, in a not-quite-aware-he-isn't-making-sense way. But then certain characters read epic Middle German poetry in a fucking basement bar. :) (lol, giving this actual thought: Hegel is not the first thing that comes to mind, but it'd be almost cliche to have Dieter quoting Nietzsche so Hegel'd be more surprising & interesting. Especially if he's still a radical atheist...) On the other hand, if it's HUGO quoting anybody I really don't know where he gets it from. ;)


Date: 2009-12-15 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] machiavelli-imp.livejournal.com
...from previous encounters with Dieter? :)

I can see a particularly manipulative (Hellstrom, Landa) or sociopathic (Stiglitz) character stopping halfway though the sex to have a rambling philosophical discussion, especially if there is a distinct power dynamic in which they top. Stiglitz not so much unless he's on top of some random SS/SD officer and going to kill him after the sex, because there's a convincing case for mad rambling about the switch in power there.

If it's a prompt that wants an R-rated fic but not PWP, I think it is possible to write something elegant if the sex is non-gratuitous, if each action shows a precise facet of the central characters minds'. Of course this is all easier said than done.

Date: 2009-12-15 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
I can see that as well, but fortunately this character didn't actually stop for a long lecture, but just for a little patronising comment. But you guys are all giving me so many fic ideas now ...

That's what I said. Iwant to write something elegant with non-gratuitous sex, but it is indeed a lot more difficult to do.

Date: 2009-12-15 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Dieter can be such a douchebag, he'd totally do it just to show off. Anyway, not allowed to say who it is. :)
(Now I want to write fic about Dieterchen quoting Nietzsche and Hegel and other stuff to Landa. After chaining him to the bed and teasing him for hours. Even Landa would only say "guh?" to that.)

Date: 2009-12-15 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] machiavelli-imp.livejournal.com
My brain! It's dying from the hotness!
Or maybe that's the half a teacup full of cognac I had. Yeah, probably that. Annoying dinner parties.

Actually, I did have a similar dream about a real-life German being chained to a bed and eating croquembouche off him, but that isn't very relevant. In my defence, I did read a misprint just before I slept noting that "His pleasure in the pubic adulation he received was diminished..." when I'm sure it was supposed to say "public adulation."

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Date: 2009-12-15 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sevenwindows.livejournal.com
He is a terribly clever douchebag and he adores it when people know this. >:)

YOU SHOULD. Landa would command it if he could, you know, form sentences.

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Date: 2009-12-15 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evoe.livejournal.com
You can do it! Gogogogo :) *swings pompoms and jumps up and down*
Gah I hope I'll be around to read it. I'm falling behind with everything, because I seem to spend my whole days doing the GIS course. I almost fell asleep this morning, because I absolutely had to go and celebrate a birthday yesterday and after that I had to do some "supporting in times of emotional crisis". Getting up before seven really is a fucking bitch!

Date: 2009-12-16 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linndechir.livejournal.com
Yay, thanks for the encouragement! :D
What's GIS? I'm a bit behind on your current job updates. I hope you'll find time to read my stuff anyway. :) Real life is a bitch in general. Will you be going home for Christmas and New Year?

Date: 2009-12-17 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evoe.livejournal.com
Yup I'll be going home on Tuesday. But only for christmas, for new years I'll be back in berlin.
GIS stands for Geographic Information System by the way. Today we were doing some georeferencing... not terribly exciting but still okay. The teacher is nice, so it's all bearable despite the early start. It's a bit depressing though to see that half the people there are in the same situation I'm in: Freshly finished with Uni but unable to find a job. Well I'll be signing a contract for a parttime job in the Hausverwaltung soon, so I'll have my basic costs of living covered without running to the JobCenter for each and every little thing.

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